Forgot your password? He hasn't used it years, but I'm going through a grunge phase right now and this old RAT would be perfect both for me and my boys, so he's offered to sell it. The trouble is: we're having a hard time figuring out what it's worth. Auctions on eBay are all over the map, and the market for vintage guitars, amps, and pedals is so fickle that I've pretty much avoided it altogether.
I told the seller today that I'd post a message on Harmony Central to get some impartial feedback so we can determine a "fair price". I'll leave it up to you to decide exactly what that means -- but esentially a price that would be "fair" for both of us. I'll send the seller a link to this thread in a day or two.
So this post was completely useless.
ProCo Rat Tail Distortion: A RAT pedal in your guitar cable
Hey, every bit of feedback helps. I'm just trying to "keep it real". I don't think that's the case. But I think both he and I want to do "due diligence" to get in the ballpark. You don't want to trade away that Honus Wagner baseball card for a pack of gum just because you don't know who Honus Wagner is.
Unless you are a vintage pedal collector, there is no need to pay more than Paying an extra I agree. If the clone sounds like the original, then I'll be happy. I just thought it might be fun to have one vintage pedal on my pedalboard, but I'm not interested in paying some huge premium to do so.
Also, I've already told the seller that if a "fair price" is too high for me, then I'll pass. But at least he'll have a better idea of the pedal's real value if he decides to sell it down the road.
I think is pretty cheap IMO Most people are asking or more I dunno Actually, no. The pedal I've seen looks much closer to the one I posted in the OP in terms of wear-and-team and rusting. The one above looks a lot cleaner.Pro Co's original Rat distortion pedal has spawned a whole family - six in fact. We invited four of the rodents to meet Michael Casswell.
The Pro Co Rat pedal first burst on to the guitar scene in the mid '80s and swept through the guitar playing world like no other dirt pedal has. There was a good reason for this. It was really good. At lower settings it would act like a cool overdrive that would kick a good amp into some really musical high gain fun. At mid-way settings it would become a filthy animal that would turn the cleanest Fender amp into metal monster.
And at its highest setting it would turn into the best retro fuzz like pedal, so good that Hendrix would probably have been using one, had he still been with us. It found its way on many albums and was used by many of the biggest names of the time.
I remember Jeff Beck being big on using one in the late '80s with his green Strat plus and a red knob Fender Twin.
Since that first white logo version, Pro Co has put out various versions of the Rat, all sort of doing that 'Rat' thing, but apparently not in quite the same way as that original model. I think it's a lot to do with the LM chip that was in the first version, which if you know or are interested in such things, is the Corvette C7 of stomp box overdrive chips.
These original issue white logo Rats are very sought after and collectable nowadays, and not ones to miss a trick, Pro Co has re issued it and called it the Rat 85 Whiteface reissue. We should be sceptical of re-issues, because there is usually a compromise somewhere in the manufacture, due to costs or parts no longer being made or available, but if we are going to believe Pro Co, which I guess we all are, this reissue is identical in every way to the original, which is very good news indeed.
This reissue has all the crucial features of the original. Which are, the white Rat logo, the same shape and size steel box, the same circuit board layout, the cool large CTS pots labelled distortion, filter, volumea true bypass switch did the original have that? It's not a huge list but it's a good one! I was sent the whole range of Rat pedals to look at which consists of the regular Rat, the Dirty Rat, the Turbo Rat and this 85 whiteface reissue.
Plus I own a Rat from aroundso it was like a Rat convention at my place! My first comparison was between the 85 and my second generation, early '90s version. I did a back to back comparison with same amp and same settings and couldn't really detect much, if any, difference, which made me happy because it meant my version held its own against this limited edition 85 reissue.
I then spent the next hour comparing the other Rats. The regular Rat sounded much like the 85 and my own one and did very similar things to the amp, which makes it very good value for money indeed! What the 'Dirty Rat' did was more noticeable in its differences in that it had silly amounts of squashy, fuzzy gain coupled with a bit more hiss. The one I really liked a lot was the Turbo Rat, however. It reacted more like a booster pedal with a fatter sounding overdrive, less hiss and generally nice tones all round.
To me, the Turbo Rat was the winner at the Rat party. Why didn't I review them all, I hear you say? Well mainly because to my ears they do all sound very similar, and the differences are very subtle so it wouldn't have made for good viewing.
Safe to say, they all sound good and it just depends on your style and idea of tone, as to which pet Rat should belong to you. The 85 reissue is twice the price of the others and would be very nice to have but I am happy with my second generation pedal from or thereabouts.
As I said earlier, the king Rat for me was the Turbo version. I thought it had something nicer in the tone that the others didn't. But if LM chips are your thing, then you probably need to go find yourself the 85 reissue. Read the mag.Log in or Sign up.
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ProCo Rat Tail Distortion: A RAT pedal in your guitar cable
Feb 23, 1. Messages: 4, I'm jamming some sweet Hair Metal covers with my mate, and I was thinking a Proco Rat might be a nice addition. I've never played one, but have heard its wht many artists used for the sound. BentayukFeb 23, Feb 23, 2. And yeah, the inexpensive Rat2 will deliver the same as most of the other rats, except by Turbo Rat which it's slightly different.
Feb 23, 3. Messages: The regular Rat will have the most gain on tap and was around during that era. The Rat always comes up for those tones, but were any of those bands actually using them? Maybe a lot of hair bands playing out of their parents' garages, but most the bands anyone has heard of would have moved on to real amps by the time they starting recording. Feb 23, 4. I really like the GGG kits I've scored a few of them.
The whiteface version is my favorite. Feb 23, 5. That's what I keep hearing, when people talk 80's metal, hair metal, Jake E Lee Isn't it the same way that the Boss DS-1 was used by tons of artists throughout the 80's to get their sound.Forgot your password? By StspiderJune 7, in Effects and Processors. I've just sold my Deucetone because it was too much to have around, but at the same time the Rat is the only dirtbox that works for me at high levels. The Rat? Why clone?Proco RAT 80's made in USA demo (with Les Paul )
Clones are for pedals that are too expensive, too fragile or problematic for some reason in their original form bad bypass, cheap enclosure, etc.
If the Duecetone was too much, just try a normal Rat or an old '80s Rat or a Turbo my favorite right now. I'd like to enjoy a little search and comparison before I lay my cash on a new stomp, that's it. With 6 different modes and a socketed chip so you can try out different ICs, this is both awesome sounding AND versatile.
Check it out! New Rats are built terribly and don't even have the chip that vintage Rats have that have the tone they're known for, even though those chips are cheap and plentiful. Generally speaking if you can get ahold of a 90s or 80s Rat you're in good shape but there are a lot of mods and different sounds you can get from them so I would go for a boutique Rat clone with a buttload of different options.
If anything look up a pedal called the landgraff Mo'd. It basically built to those specs minus the clipping switch. Think is with the switch up where it sounds like a pro co rat. How did you usually use your Duecetone before? If you're going to get a modded Rat, you ought to hunt for one that excels at the kind of stuff you like.
I don't care for the overly-smooth "fat boost" settings - I like a little more dirt in my Rat. For example, the Keeley Rat sounds like a great way to ruin a pedal to me, but I know for some it's awesome. The BYOC has a clone of the original with a cool knob that can change the frequency, or something:.
For the money you'd be dropping into a clone or similar pedal, you'd be able to buy the real deal and possibly have a little left over if you're careful. Personally I think the older Rats leave little more to be desired, and I've never seen the need to get it modded or buy a clone. With a little patience and a good eye you'll be able to get a good deal on one. I don't get cloning a RAT when they are not difficult to find even the LM ones and not that expensive I know you said that you don't prefer it but my '89 Turbo Rat with original LM chip is, hands down, the best modd'd or stock version I have ever heard.
The FKR there has the build in a larger enclosure.I am happy to find this post very useful for me, as it contains lot of information. I suppose I have a bit of history with the RAT, I've used it since my first band, on various key songs, and have owned several throughout the years.
The first, easy enough mod is to replace whatever op amp you've got with an LM if yours is a newer version. The LM has a slower slew rate and a generally darker, nastier sound than the newer versions. It is the original spec'd op amp from the vintage Rats, which was changed out for something else in the s. The second, fun mod is to add clipping options.
My review of the Turbo Rat is that 5MM LED clipping is a bit heavy and severe for most of my uses, so I find it a lot more useful with the 1N mode, which puts it very much in the Rat 2 kind of sound camp. These pedals are all very closely related, with the main differences being the clipping diode selection.
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The Vintage Rat does have more of a smooth compressed midrange character, where the Rat 2 and Turbo Rat have more of an open, clear sound that's nice as well. These differences occur in the circuitry that is not the clipping diodes, so I'm glad I have both. Just depends on my mood which I want to use more. There is also the Ruest Rat mod, to get more bass out of these pedals. I ended up not liking that mod, and removed it. If I need a big bass sound I will use something else entirely. To me, the Rat is all about midrange and cutting clarity.
It's that '80s thing, yo. The enclosures are pretty poorly designed in my opinion. The top surface is too thin, it can be bent by stomping enthusiastically.
My turbo rat needed to be bent with pliers and hammered back into a flat shape. Bad design choice, the PCB could eventually crack. Also the "fins" of the bottom piece leave a gap between the top where dust and filth can creep inside the pedal from the cracks on the side. I had to fix this with more hammering and bending. I was able to close the gap considerably on my Turbo Rat. My "You Dirty Rat" still has a gap as I have not messed with it yet.
Here's a picture of my Turbo Rat being modified. It probably would have been better to use an SPDT for the diode mod. Make sure you use the correct pads on the PCB for the two wires from the clipping mod switch. There are 6 or more pads and you need to pick the ones that aren't connected. I guess this proves they use the same exact PCB for the various Rat models and just mount different sized clipping diodes to the PCB with the various hole spacing.Everybody seems to know about the KitRae Big Muff Pi Pagewhich, admittedly, is probably the most authoritative page on the internet about the history of the Electro Harmonix Big Muff distortion pedal.
It includes all the different versions, and each of the permutations of parts within each version. What we didn't think there was an equivalent for, as the title of this article makes clear, was the same kind of page exulting the ProCo Rat But there is!
We think KitRae dilutes the value of his page by adding his swords and stuff, but its his page, his business. This is interesting because: 1. The ProCo Rat always came in a sturdier enclosure, 2. The ProCo Rat always came with a professionally-printed circuit board, 3. Since the Rat came on a professionally-printed circuit board, the parts mountings were inevitably sturdier as well, 4.
While individual Rat pedals have, of course, broken down The situation is unlike old Big Muffs. The Rat pedal, and the ProCo brand do not have nearly the same reputation for breaking down as does the Big Muff. The Rat uses a "Darlington Pair" of transistors for "pop-free" function when switching the pedal on-and-off, 6. ProCo never went out of business and The Rat, despite some production hiccups due to the company changing corporate direction, has been pretty much continuously available since its release in We actually think that part of the "mojo" assigned to the EHX Big Muff does indeed have to do with the shifting versions, the constantly shifting parts, the changing production methods, etc.
The fact that the Rat was more consistent, and sturdier, actually contributed to it having "less mojo"! There are two "famous versions" of the Rat. The first is probably the "Big Box" Rat, that is best described by a "large", non-standard rectangular box that was wider than it was long. It has all the same controls and parts as its competition: the "Whiteface".
The Whiteface was reissued a few years back and contains all original parts.The basic RAT has changed in appearance over the years, but its tone has remained largely the same. The Pro Co RAT became very popular in the early s, thanks in part to fame gained by its use by several artists, including Metallica, R. Burnham decided he could build a superior product from the ground up, and designed "The RAT" pedal. In"The RAT" was being built as a custom-order product. Each pedal was built in a standard project box, hand painted, and hand drilled.
InPro Co began mass-producing them.
InPro Co switched to a smaller, U-shaped enclosure. Other models of RAT products include: . The Pro Co "The RAT" is a distortion pedal with a quite simple circuit, which can be broken down into four simpler blocks: distortion stage, tone control, output stage and power supply.
The distortion is produced using a variable gain circuit with diodes shorting the output to ground at a certain voltage level to produce hard clipping of the input waveform. The general design is very similar to the Boss DS-1 distortion pedal. A major difference is the opamp used the LM Known for its poor slew rateit largely accounts for the sonic difference between the two pedals.
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